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Post by charzhino on Mar 10, 2018 17:50:11 GMT
Not really spoonfeeding is it though. Its futile arguing with MCU fanatics, they dont really have a firm grasp over story telling and character development. She comes from a super-advanced civilization with stuff way beyond us and She's a Princess. It's easy to extrapolate that she got a superior education there and their own scientists are just that good. You might as well ask how the Ravagers in GOTG got their ships when they all seem to be a bunch of thugs. You might as well ask how Magneto learned how to make a machine that would turn Humans into Mutants. Ravagers are shown to be skilled thiefs so thats not extraordinary. Magneto in X1 is very old and can assume he has experience to create that machine. Theres also a line where he says he help Xavier build Cerebro. Nothing extraordinary. Shuri is 15yo African kid whose never been abroad and is shown to be adept at advanced science. That is extraordinary. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 10, 2018 21:03:58 GMT
She comes from a super-advanced civilization with stuff way beyond us and She's a Princess. It's easy to extrapolate that she got a superior education there and their own scientists are just that good. You might as well ask how the Ravagers in GOTG got their ships when they all seem to be a bunch of thugs. You might as well ask how Magneto learned how to make a machine that would turn Humans into Mutants. Ravagers are shown to be skilled thiefs so thats not extraordinary. Magneto in X1 is very old and can assume he has experience to create that machine. Theres also a line where he says he help Xavier build Cerebro. Nothing extraordinary. Shuri is 15yo African kid whose never been abroad and is shown to be adept at advanced science. That is extraordinary. Being a skilled thief doesn't mean you know how to fly a starship or set up a huge force. Nope, building Cerebro (which we later find out wasn't true anyways) doesn't mean you can make a Mutant Maker. And being old doesn't mean much either. Shuri simply is extraordinary, that's all you need to know. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 10, 2018 21:11:30 GMT
Shuri simply is extraordinary, that's all you need to know. And like Rey, a deadbeat begger, knowing extraordinary Jedi abilities with no backstory or explanation, Shuris abilities are a difficult concept to digest. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 22:30:07 GMT
Shuri simply is extraordinary, that's all you need to know. And like Rey, a deadbeat begger, knowing extraordinary Jedi abilities with no backstory or explanation, Shuris abilities are a difficult concept to digest. Agreed. That's 1 of the reasons why TLJ was so disappointing. We thought those questions about who Rey's parents were and how Rey became so proficient at using the force would be answered in TLJ, but TLJ gave no explanation, other than 1 line about Rey's parents being nobodies, which doesn't explain how Rey became so proficient at using the force. And we're not talking about Rey being able to do simple stuff with the force. She can do the same things that Kyle Ren, who has been trained for most of his life, does with no explanation for how she got that way. Same with T'Challa's sister. We're not talking about T'Challa's sister just being the smartest kid in her class. BP made her an Einstein-level genius with no explanation at all for how she got that way. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Mar 10, 2018 22:51:23 GMT
And like Rey, a deadbeat begger, knowing extraordinary Jedi abilities with no backstory or explanation, Shuris abilities are a difficult concept to digest. Agreed. That's 1 of the reasons why TLJ was so disappointing. We thought those questions about who Rey's parents were and how Rey became so proficient at using the force would be answered in TLJ, but TLJ gave no explanation, other than 1 line about Rey's parents being nobodies, which doesn't explain how Rey became so proficient at using the force. And we're not talking about Rey being able to do simple stuff with the force. She can do the same things that Kyle Ren, who has been trained for most of his life, does with no explanation for how she got that way. Same with T'Challa's sister. We're not talking about T'Challa's sister just being the smartest kid in her class. BP made her an Einstein-level genius with no explanation at all for how she got that way. God, you're a fuckin' moron. I can poke more holes in every DC film than the entire MCU series itself. But you know what, these movies are set in a fictional superhero universe. So yeah, some things are going to be a bit of a stretch probably, but who cares!?! You're just fuckin' jealous of the MCU success as usual with nothing to complain about, so you're fuckin' nitpicking |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 10, 2018 23:33:13 GMT
Shuri simply is extraordinary, that's all you need to know. And like Rey, a deadbeat begger, knowing extraordinary Jedi abilities with no backstory or explanation, Shuris abilities are a difficult concept to digest. It's hardly worse than how they turned Anakin into Force Jesus. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 23:55:27 GMT
And like Rey, a deadbeat begger, knowing extraordinary Jedi abilities with no backstory or explanation, Shuris abilities are a difficult concept to digest. It's hardly worse than how they turned Anakin into Force Jesus. That was explained. Qui Gonn measured Anakin's midi chlorian level and found that Anakin had the highest levels he had ever measured. Plus, Anakin was trained by Obi-Wan There's no explanation at all for how T'Challa's sister became an Einstein-level genius. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 11, 2018 0:30:40 GMT
It's hardly worse than how they turned Anakin into Force Jesus. That was explained. No, it wasn't. They never explained it in the movies beyond some theorizing that he was conceived by the Michlorians. Idiocy. Shuri grew up in a civilization more advanced than anyone else, we don't need to know more than that. Where did Jor-El learn all his stuff? |
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 0:47:21 GMT
Shuri simply is extraordinary, that's all you need to know. And like Rey, a deadbeat begger, knowing extraordinary Jedi abilities with no backstory or explanation, Shuris abilities are a difficult concept to digest. Like I've said before I'm pretty easy when it comes to this stuff (so that's why I don't have a problem with it). Seeing the tech they have in the city itself leads you to believe that they have some gifted scientists. The Stealth Dome itself is better than the retro-reflector panels that SHIELD has on it's Helicarrier and Tony has on his transfer plane in Homecoming. There was still distortion on those, there wasn't any on the camouflage. Their air craft are better than the Quin-jets, W'kabi and his security forces have cloth that basically radiates a repulsor type shield. The weapons and armor used by Okoye and her soldiers is at or above Tony's. Mainly in that It's thin cloth but is tough armor. (tony has to use gold/titanium) It might not seem that way, but they were using their advanced weapons against their advanced armor. They have mag-lev auto controlled bullet trains. Basically before BP we've seen how the world is about the same as ours technology wise. Yeah there are helicarriers and quinjets, but there is also fossil fuel burning cars. Airforce one is the same as ours a standard plane. No bullet trains. Tony is the most gifted engineer the world has and his tech shows it. It's shown comically in Ironman 2 with Justin Hammer how far behind everyone else is to him. Whiplash was close second maybe. Now with us having Tony he hasn't got us close to Wakanda. Now before Ironman 1 he concentrated on weapons but dabbled in creating a better world with his techno crops or whatever he said to the reporter. After his epiphany he turned his company to make the world a better place. And in 10 years we are still far behind Wakanda. Now if you know all of that. Then that means Wakanda has had people for a long time making and building tech to get that far past the Western World. And not just the Western World but the Western World With Tony Stark. For that country to be that far ahead most people would assume they have superior education, to get superior infrastructure they had to have decades of scientist working on all of it. In the real world collaboration moves science along you are right on that, but this is the superhero world. Ultron called Vibranium the most versitle metal on the planet. When that asteroid hit Wakanda back when everyone was basically hunter gathers they probably used it for crude weapons and went from there. The metal was just like steroids for the civilization. With that level of science and tech in that country it wasn't a big stretch for me to figure the Daughter of the King had the best schooling in the best school in Wakanda. And Wakanda's worst schools would be better than our best. Combine that with a genius level intellect and a research team and you get Shuri. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 11, 2018 3:15:57 GMT
No, it wasn't. They never explained it in the movies beyond some theorizing that he was conceived by the Michlorians. Idiocy. No, it's not idiocy. It was explained that Anakin is so powerful because he has the highest midi chlorians level ever measured. It's no different than Stan Lee saying mutants got their power because of an X-gene or Peter Parker got his powers because he was bitten by a radioactive spider or Hulk got his powers because of gamma radiation. It's a sufficient explanation. Shuri grew up in a civilization more advanced than anyone else, we don't need to know more than that. Where did Jor-El learn all his stuff? Jor-El was a middle-aged man who had worked as a scientist for his whole adult life so it's natural that he's 1 of the top scientists on his planet. T'Challa's sister is a teenager who had never traveled beyond her country's borders and it's also well-established that Wakandan people (including T'Challa himself, who is too dumb to even request that Killmonger be given a DNA test to prove his claim of being royal blood) are generally the among the dumbest people on Earth. So there isn't any sufficient nor plausible explanation for how T'Challa's sister became an Einstein-level genius. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 11, 2018 3:22:58 GMT
And like Rey, a deadbeat begger, knowing extraordinary Jedi abilities with no backstory or explanation, Shuris abilities are a difficult concept to digest. Wakanda's worst schools would be better than our best. Nope. Wakanda's best colleges would still be far behind the worst colleges in the world. Because knowledge comes from an exchange of ideas. And since Wakanda doesn't exchange ideas with the rest of the world, Wakanda's schools would be far behind the rest of th eworld. Which explains why Wakandans are so dumb that: 1. No Wakadan has been able to come up with a peaceful way in the 21st century to choose a leader that doesn't involve violence and bloodshed and mortal combat, even though the rest of the world has already done so. 2. Wakanda's own King is too dumb to request that a challenger to his throne who hasn't been heard from in 25 years be given a simple DNA test to verify his claim of royal heritage. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 11, 2018 3:37:15 GMT
It is, it's Lucas writing at its most banal. No it's not. Have a better civilization than most everyone else and better sciences. They have certain traditions forced on them by their God, but otherwise they're just that further ahead. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 11, 2018 4:44:06 GMT
It is, it's Lucas writing at its most banal. No it's not. Have a better civilization than most everyone else and better sciences. They have certain traditions forced on them by their God, but otherwise they're just that further ahead. Fact: No Wakandan, in the thousand of years since its inception, has ever left Wakanda. Ever. War Dogs use Wakandan telepresence technology to conduct their missions. They’ve never conducted trade with any other nation - not even through intermediaries. No Wakandan learns anything from another outside of the phrase “Wakanda Forever!” They never knew about the Great War, World War II or the Slave Trade. They’re completely and utterly removed from the world as if Andy from that episode of the Twilight Zone had wished them away into a cornfield. Wakanda is hermetically sealed in a giant plastic sand which bag that has never been opened, observed or experienced. If anyone tells you differently, they’re lying. Case closed. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 6:06:30 GMT
Wakanda's worst schools would be better than our best. Nope. Wakanda's best colleges would still be far behind the worst colleges in the world. Because knowledge comes from an exchange of ideas. And since Wakanda doesn't exchange ideas with the rest of the world, Wakanda's schools would be far behind the rest of th eworld. Which explains why Wakandans are so dumb that: 1. No Wakadan has been able to come up with a peaceful way in the 21st century to choose a leader that doesn't involve violence and bloodshed and mortal combat, even though the rest of the world has already done so. 2. Wakanda's own King is too dumb to request that a challenger to his throne who hasn't been heard from in 25 years be given a simple DNA test to verify his claim of royal heritage. Man you let me down with this reply dude. I am a fan of your trolling thought I'd get better Material. A simple question if their education system is so poor how is there tech light years from the rest of the world? And Knowledge doesn't have to be exchanged. It can be taken. We know Wakanda has no problem sending spies into other countries. but really when their civilization is so much more advance why would they want to take knowledge from us? It would be the equivalent of the ancient Chinese civilization in 4000 BCE spying on the hunter gatherers from Europe. The neolithic Chinese civilization didn't explore or trade with other cultures, but they planned their cities while in Europe you had small bands of hunter gathers living together is small groups near the shore or lakes. They hadn't figured out farming. While neolithic Chinese had cultivated rice, domesticated chickens, started surgery (trephination), intricate burial rituals, woven silk, evidence of simple plumbing and sewer. etc etc 1. Advanced Civilization doesn't mean Peaceful Civilization you are committing a logical fallacy. There is a correlation between civilizations advancement with violence going down. That doesn't mean it's a causal relationship. 2. Does T'Challa's intelligence effect the intelligence of his people? He trusted that Erik was who he said was with little evidence, but even if he was a idiot how does him being dumb, prone to be trusting, or impulsive mean his people are dumb. In my lifetime in the United States we had Presidents Carter, Reagan, (Vp Dan Quayle) Clinton, G. W Bush, and Trump. Carter was a simpleton, Reagan in his last few years of his 2nd term suffered from Alzheimer's, Vp Quayle was one step away from Pres. and he was dumb as a box of hammers, Clinton was a walking hardon, G W Bush while had a great memory could barely put 2 sentences together, and Trump well geez where to start. The fact he would be richer if he took his inheritance and put it in a simple interest account. And he might actually be a worse speaker than Bush Jr. In 42 years 2 Presidents were intelligent G H W Bush and Obama. In that 42 years did the US stop being the most advanced civilization on the planet? NOPE. Ok dude I played my part, I engaged your arguments. PLEASE! don't disappoint me with sub par trolling and/or strategic ignoring of my points. Strategic Ignoring is the lazy man's troll. Have add it dude. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Mar 11, 2018 7:32:48 GMT
She comes from a super-advanced civilization with stuff way beyond us and She's a Princess. It's easy to extrapolate that she got a superior education there and their own scientists are just that good. You might as well ask how the Ravagers in GOTG got their ships when they all seem to be a bunch of thugs. You might as well ask how Magneto learned how to make a machine that would turn Humans into Mutants. Ravagers are shown to be skilled thiefs so thats not extraordinary. Magneto in X1 is very old and can assume he has experience to create that machine. Theres also a line where he says he help Xavier build Cerebro. Nothing extraordinary. Shuri is 15yo African kid whose never been abroad and is shown to be adept at advanced science. That is extraordinary. Hello. I've only seen Black Panther twice but wasn't it only implied that Shuri hadn't been abroad? Surely you seem to be able to believe that information due to the implication, so why can't you believe she's a genius when that's not only implied, but directly shown? I mean I do get where you're coming from, I just don't think it's a huge leap to use your imagination a bit. Surely we can use our intelligence to make some general assumptions about where her intellect comes from. You also mentioned Hank McCoy in First Class.. but wasn't that the second film he appeared in? He was in Last Stand as well right? Did they mention anything about how he obtained his intellect in that film? Maybe the line you seek will appear in Infinity War or Black Panther 2. Would that be satisfying enough? Honestly, I just don't see how showing everything that she can accomplish in the film isn't a better indicator of her intelligence than "Hey Shuri, how was Wakanda University?" |
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