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Post by charzhino on Mar 6, 2018 21:00:44 GMT
It may be improbable or unlikely or a pure flight of fucking fancy but, it is what it is, Jack. Yes it is highly unlikely and working in the scientific field I had to question it because it stuck out like a sore thumb when I watched the movie.
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Post by cricket on Mar 6, 2018 21:04:50 GMT
And with this you made the step from trolling to stupidity and racism... Congratulations!!! If your weren't a DCEU fan, I wouldn't have believed it... WHOA! Whoa. whoa.... What does DCEU have to do with it? I think we're on the same page in calling him out for stupidity, but his being or not being a DC fan has nothing to do with it. He's just stupid. Period. I'm a DC fan and I agree with you. Leave DC out of the MCU conversation. Oh, yes, yes... I was not trying to imply that all DCEU fans are like that. Not generalizing here pal. But the reasons for him making this kind of thread, in this board, with the "Thinly veiled" intention to upset people has an origin. Again, I am not saying all of DC fans are like that.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 6, 2018 21:11:43 GMT
She saw Bill Cosby's Picture Pages and extrapolated from there.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 6, 2018 21:20:48 GMT
How did the western world develop all of their science and education systems? Wakanda did it the same way. They are the most technologically advanced country in the world and they have the most advanced universities in the world and they did it all by themselves with the resources they had and by observing other cultures around the world.
Troll.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 6, 2018 21:21:54 GMT
I'm not going to get into it with you about all the socioeconomic issues involved that make it so. It's a thinly veiled racist agenda you're espousing there, buddy. Do little research so you can how many notable people of high intelligence who have made international contributions are of color and from other countries.
Not to mention the fact that in the MCU Wakanda IS a source of such knowledge.
But where is the source of knowledge coming from? Thats my question. Is the vibranium sentient and able to increase the IQs of the people it interacts with? Is the panther god teaching these people? If its an answer like that, then im happy to accept it. Where did the knowledge of making Greek Fire come from? A weapon that we still to this day don't know how it worked. Just so happened that Greeks figured it out Centuries ago. Where did the Knowledge of gunpowder come from? Chinese in isolation figured out how to make it. Where did the very labor intensive knowledge of processing Copper Ore come from? It was figured out in one small area in the Middle East. Now think about this to smelt pure copper from copper ore you have to have constant air blown on the smelting fire. This is so it gets hot enough to liberate pure copper. In Timna_Valley they didn't have bellows so 3 or 4 people would blow into tubes for hours to do it. How did they figure out that if you blow on a fire for 8 hours copper ore becomes copper? And they figured that out a thousand years before christ. History is littered with cases of gaining knowledge of some scientific/knowledge in isolation and independent of the rest of the world. In 3 different parts of the world the water driven hammer and anvil was created. In more that 4 different parts of the world advance Pyramid Construction happened. The bottom line is Wakanda figured out things way before the rest of the world. It was a natural process. Just how western civilization came to its knowledge. Just think of Wakanda like it was the Western World. They just were accelerated. They went through the same process we did. They started in Stone Age, Copper Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Steel Age, Industrial Revolution,, Information Age, Post Modern Age. They just did in isolation and with out the knowledge of the rest of the world. And they did it before the rest of the world.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 6, 2018 21:57:25 GMT
Who says she never left Wakanda? In the comics both T’Challa and Shuri were partially educated in the West. How do you think they learned to speak fluent English, watching Back to the Future II on a continuous loop? Im talking about whats shown in the movie, i have no intetest reading BP comics. In the film she calls the white guy a colonizer. Clearly she has never left Wakanda and even is hinted when T'Challa refuses to take her with him on his expeditions to the outside world. Tourist should always seek maps whenever possible. It’s less embarrassing than asking questions that could make you appear to be ignorant of the world around you.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 6, 2018 22:02:28 GMT
Genius does not come from conventional learning. It is a statistical anomaly that occurs in a tiny fraction of the populous. Some people are born naturally intelligent. One account of Tony’s origin has him dropping out of MIT before completing his undergrad because the curriculum was too slow. He fabricated the first Iron Man on his own within a year of that. Tony was mentored alongside Dr Yinsin, a brilliant physicist. Shuri is basically on her own, and just reading books and watching e-courses will not make someone genius level without professional guidance and collaboration. Guidance and collaboration is a means of directing genius. They are not the means by which genius is born or attained. Those who are intellectually gifted usually manifest their talents at an early age. Formal education is generally regarded as a constraint or formality by most true genius level intellects. Genius is the closest thing the human race has to an X gene.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 6, 2018 22:03:59 GMT
And it seems you flunked out of troll university. She is a bit of an MS but, the assumption that you can’t learn anything about science, math, engineering or physics without having to leave Wakanda is blinding stupid and borderline racist. Its not racist its true. Whens the last time a Nobel prize scientist was lecturing at an African university? Wakanda may have basic maths and engineering schools but to achieve a superhuman intellect like Shuri, without leaving Wakanda is absurd. How so? People with genius level intellect are born all over the world.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 6, 2018 23:02:08 GMT
She was in the same class as Rey, it’s called the writers’ asshole. BOOM. Points!
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Post by Daisy on Mar 7, 2018 5:13:35 GMT
The rest of the world learns science from her and other Wakandans.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 7, 2018 5:25:07 GMT
All of your assumptions are based on the idea that Wakanda somehow has no learning institutions of its own and that all of the best learning institutions are in the West. Within the Marvel Universe, that couldn't be farther from the truth. You wouldn't ask the same question of Tony Stark because the answer would be irrelevant. The real (and frankly obvious) answer for both Tony and Shuri is that they are geniuses who would have likely arrived at their level of knowledge and mastery over multiple fields regardless of where they were educated. For a deep dive into the Wakandan culture, government, and its education system (which differs radically from its hyper-capitalist western counterparts in structure and pedagogical approach) see Ta-Nehisi Coates' lauded run on Black Panther and Roxane Gay and Yona Harvey's World of Wakanda. In other words, go read a comic book. Sincerely, Death Man We don’t have to ask where Tony studied. It said in Captain America: Civil War that he studied at MIT and also his father would have tutored him. Civil War is the 6th movie with Stark in it. Did you guys cry about not knowing where Stark went to school in the 1st Iron Man movie?
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 7, 2018 5:31:16 GMT
Who says she never left Wakanda? In the comics both T’Challa and Shuri were partially educated in the West. How do you think they learned to speak fluent English, watching Back to the Future II on a continuous loop? In the film she calls the white guy a colonizer. That's what he is. Ross is an American in the movie. America is a former British colony.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 7, 2018 6:51:00 GMT
She went to Mary Sue University. And it seems you flunked out of troll university. She is a bit of an MS but, the assumption that you can’t learn anything about science, math, engineering or physics without having to leave Wakanda is blinding stupid and borderline racist. The whole idea of Wakanda is that it is the most advanced nation on earth. Yet no one is Wakanda is smart enough to figure out how to choose a leader in the 21st century without resorting to violence and bloodshed and mortal combat even though most of the rest of the world has already done so. Nope, Wakanda isn't advanced at all. WAKANDA IS JUST A BARBARIC AND SAVAGE AND UNCIVILIZED NATION THAT'S FAR BEHIND MOST OF THE WORLD.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 7, 2018 6:55:52 GMT
. I think by working with the Vibranium for as long as they have they figured out many things in science and technology from using studying it. They just got a head start at learning natural law because of the most versatile metal/substance ever. But to manipulate the metal they would need in depth knowledge of metallurgy. They would need to build and operate NMR machines, X-ray spectrometers, etc. If they dont learn from someone in the outside world how is that possible? PLOTHOLE!
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 7, 2018 12:29:08 GMT
And it seems you flunked out of troll university. She is a bit of an MS but, the assumption that you can’t learn anything about science, math, engineering or physics without having to leave Wakanda is blinding stupid and borderline racist. The whole idea of Wakanda is that it is the most advanced nation on earth. Nope, Wakanda isn't advanced at all. WAKANDA IS JUST A BARBARIC AND SAVAGE AND UNCIVILIZED NATION THAT'S FAR BEHIND MOST OF THE WORLD.If you have a very real God telling you to do things a certain way, you do them. After all, it worked for the Amazons and they had less of a reason than the Wakandans.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 7, 2018 12:40:06 GMT
[Just think of Wakanda like it was the Western World. They just were accelerated. They went through the same process we did. They started in Stone Age, Copper Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Steel Age, Industrial Revolution,, Information Age, Post Modern Age. They just did in isolation and with out the knowledge of the rest of the world. And they did it before the rest of the world. I guess i will accept that answer but im not totally satisfied with it. Its very hard to believe an isolationist nation can rise to that level of technology and science without outside information, collaboration and exchange of information. The Western World achieved where it is because they learnt mathematics from Asia, science from europe , philosophy from greece, etc. They had free flow of people.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 7, 2018 13:16:16 GMT
[Just think of Wakanda like it was the Western World. They just were accelerated. They went through the same process we did. They started in Stone Age, Copper Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Steel Age, Industrial Revolution,, Information Age, Post Modern Age. They just did in isolation and with out the knowledge of the rest of the world. And they did it before the rest of the world. I guess i will accept that answer but im not totally satisfied with it. Its very hard to believe an isolationist nation can rise to that level of technology and science without outside information, collaboration and exchange of information. The Western World achieved where it is because they learnt mathematics from Asia, science from europe , philosophy from greece, etc. They had free flow of people. In the real world Isolationist rarely prosper, so I see your point. Free exchange of information is usually the key to civilization. That's not to say that individuals or even groups haven't done amazing things without formal training or collaboration . With this it's left open. It up to the individual to fill in the blanks. I see it as a microcosm of the western civ. we are used to. They had their own Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Plato, and Hawkins. Hell they probably had their own Tony Stark. In the end it's kind of a minor problem that doesn't, to me, ruin suspension of Disbelief. It's easier for me to suspend with Shuri's intellegence than it is with Wolverine's (Deadpool's) regeneration. Like in X-men 3 his body is being ripped apart walking toward Jean. He goes from bone back to tissue a few times. Now how do humans heal? Our bodies turn sugar, protein, fats and minerals into new flesh. Wolverine should've been getting skinnier and skinnier as he got closer. He would be depleting all his stores of glucose, lactose, lipids, glycogen, and amino acids to regrow that tissue In the comics he's regrown body parts. To do so he would have to consume so much food for fuel he would've never stop eating. Hell he would have to eat while he slept or more likely die from his body converting his stores of building blocks into a new arm or leg. (on a side note how does Wolverine's bones make and release Red Blood Cells, White Blood Cells, and Platelets? We make them in our bone marrow. If wolverine's bones are in cased in metal he wouldn't be able to live because of the lack of those cells.)
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 7, 2018 13:33:48 GMT
And it seems you flunked out of troll university. She is a bit of an MS but, the assumption that you can’t learn anything about science, math, engineering or physics without having to leave Wakanda is blinding stupid and borderline racist. The whole idea of Wakanda is that it is the most advanced nation on earth. Yet no one is Wakanda is smart enough to figure out how to choose a leader in the 21st century without resorting to violence and bloodshed and mortal combat even though most of the rest of the world has already done so. Nope, Wakanda isn't advanced at all. WAKANDA IS JUST A BARBARIC AND SAVAGE AND UNCIVILIZED NATION THAT'S FAR BEHIND MOST OF THE WORLD.And it's also the best part of one of the most critically acclaimed and box office record-breaking comic book movies in the history of the genre. So, there's that too. It even beat every single DCEU movie in nearly every measurable category the industry has to offer. From this vantage point, it looks like barbarism and savagery are in the eye of the beholder. Even if your opinion was supposed to mean something, there are millions of people who would disagree. So you and the rest of the new intelligencia can go to your secret island where they make perfectly grounded CBMs, and you can celebrate being right and alone. It's a hard roe to hoe DC-Fan but, I know you can do it.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 7, 2018 14:03:09 GMT
Yet no one is Wakanda is smart enough to figure out how to choose a leader in the 21st century without resorting to violence and bloodshed and mortal combat even though most of the rest of the world has already done so. Nope, Wakanda isn't advanced at all. WAKANDA IS JUST A BARBARIC AND SAVAGE AND UNCIVILIZED NATION THAT'S FAR BEHIND MOST OF THE WORLD.And it's also the best part of one of the most critically acclaimed and box office record-breaking comic book movies in the history of the genre. So, there's that too. It even beat every single DCEU movie in nearly every measurable category the industry has to offer. From this vantage point, it looks like barbarism and savagery are in the eye of the beholder. Even if your opinion was supposed to mean something, there are millions of people who would disagree. So you and the rest of the new intelligencia can go to your secret island where they make perfectly grounded CBMs, and you can celebrate being right and alone. It's a hard roe to hoe DC-Fan but, I know you can do it. I enjoyed JL more than BP. It appears to me that most on these boards did too.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 7, 2018 14:15:23 GMT
And it's also the best part of one of the most critically acclaimed and box office record-breaking comic book movies in the history of the genre. So, there's that too. It even beat every single DCEU movie in nearly every measurable category the industry has to offer. From this vantage point, it looks like barbarism and savagery are in the eye of the beholder. Even if your opinion was supposed to mean something, there are millions of people who would disagree. So you and the rest of the new intelligencia can go to your secret island where they make perfectly grounded CBMs, and you can celebrate being right and alone. It's a hard roe to hoe DC-Fan but, I know you can do it. I enjoyed JL more than BP. It appears to me that most on these boards did too. Is that so? Okay then. That's cool. I guess me and the small group of others who did enjoy Black Panther will have to enjoy the critical praise, financial success and inevitable sequels - all by our lonesome.
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